vintage snorkel NOS 714AWD glass developing tiny material stretches after mounting

Submitted by chris on

I had this 714AWD glass for some time and last week I decided to have a watch maker mount it on my vintage snorkel 666 ft (714 case). The glass developed some very tiny stretches that looked like very tiny 1mm scratches, so I decided to try polish the glass with polywatch but after a lot of rubbing and what seemed successful removal the stretches came back after just 3 hours, in the same positions as before. Also, the whole glass is now covered in very thin hairline cracks that I can see in the sun moving the watch. I guess this glass is somewhat "cooked". Do you have any clue as how I could have this glass ploished the right way? I will add a picture later.

bobbee
Posted June 22, 2014 - 6:22am

This sounds like stress fractures, due to an ill-fitted or wrong size crystal.

Pics will help, and maybe reverendRob can add more and better info on your problem.

Bob.

chris
Posted June 22, 2014 - 7:30am

Here, see all those marks? 

 

 

here the bag

 

chris
Posted June 22, 2014 - 11:05am

looking closely the dial seems to be higher on one side, not correctly inserted. Probably that caused the stress. wtf!

Reverend Rob
Posted June 22, 2014 - 11:19am

The crystal is fractured. Stress cracks like that are from inserting a wrong sized crystal, or by inserting it crooked. Either way, that's got to come out, it will not protect from moisture and eventually the cracks will continue and break the crystal. Vintage crystals are often more brittle than modern ones. 

Aftermarket crystals vary widely in their dimensions, as do many aftermarket parts. As we have seen, there were a lot of Snorkel variants, and the only way to ensure a correct fit is to properly measure the bezel and fit a modern armée crystal. An easy fix. 

chris
Posted June 22, 2014 - 11:30am

Thanks Rev, however I found the ref for the correct crystal in this site. There's a post which says the ref is 714AWD. Now I found another one but I don't know what to do. The watchmaker told the signs were caused by rubbing of the crystal on the paper (the paper bag). That's doesn't seem true to me.

Now I don't know if I should have him reinserting the original one, what if he fails to mount that one too? I don't even know if I can find an aftermarket one.

I only wanted to put this one as my watch came without magnifier.

chris
Posted June 23, 2014 - 1:02pm

good news, today I went back to the watch maker, he seated the glass correctly. Then I polished it using p1000 sand paper and water and then polywatch. The result is pretty nice. Probably better result can be obtained with p2000 or p2500 sand paper but I didn't find it in the store.

bobbee
Posted June 23, 2014 - 7:56pm

Glad to hear you got it sorted.

Save some money, use Brasso instead of polywatch after using 1200-1500 grit wet&dry paper.

You get a good clear finish, same as expensive crystal polishes. Only good for plastic type crystals though.

For glass or other hard crystals, try diamond paste in different grades available from your favourite auction site.

2000-2500 is much too fine for crystals, but is good for steel cases. Trust me, I tried it!

chris
Posted June 24, 2014 - 5:58am

In reply to by bobbee

I read that brasso contains also chemicals, I wouldn't use it as there's a risk of brasso touching the bezel insert (which is in bakelite I think) and ruin it. Since I don't want to take the risk to take off the bezel and ruin the bezel insert.

bobbee
Posted June 24, 2014 - 7:21am

In reply to by chris

[quote=chris]

I read that brasso contains also chemicals, I wouldn't use it as there's a risk of brasso touching the bezel insert (which is in bakelite I think) and ruin it. Since I don't want to take the risk to take off the bezel and ruin the bezel insert.

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I use masking tape to protect my "delicates"!

Polywatch and sandpaper cause more damage to bezels and inserts than any amount of Brasso ever could.

The insert is made from aluminium, then enamel painted.

Reverend Rob
Posted June 23, 2014 - 8:05pm

Modern Armée crystals are available for almost any vintage watch. They last longer, and are stronger. 

Lee Valley sells very fine emery paper, in various grades. 

chris
Posted June 24, 2014 - 7:01am

In reply to by Reverend Rob

[quote=Reverend Rob]

Modern Armée crystals are available for almost any vintage watch. They last longer, and are stronger. 

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Of course but they lack that kind of date magnifier.

Geoff Baker
Posted June 24, 2014 - 5:32am

Chris - this is a fine watch - will you please add it to our data base?

chris
Posted June 24, 2014 - 5:40am

I would but I lack many information requested.

Reverend Rob
Posted June 24, 2014 - 10:30am

Just for anyone who is not aware, GS crystal is alive and well, still staffed with descendants of the original families. I buy crystals in bulk from them.

Crystals for almost any vintage watch are still available, with cyclops (magnifier) in various designs. I do have a massive cabinet with thousands of old crystals, but I find that the older ones are more brittle. Whenever possible I use new round crystals, especially some degree of water resistance is desired. 

chris
Posted June 24, 2014 - 10:32am

In reply to by Reverend Rob

[quote=Reverend Rob]

Just for anyone who is not aware, GS crystal is alive and well, still staffed with descendants of the original families. I buy crystals in bulk from them.

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I contacted them once regarding this 714AWD glass and they sent me a cross reference table with their bulova compatible glasses but they don't have this one.