Bulova 1923 Pocket Watch

Submitted by Lee Burrows on October 20, 2021 - 3:14am
Manufacture Year
1923
Movement Model
17AT
Movement Jewels
15
Movement Serial No.
800713
Case Serial No.
3987332
Case shape
Round
Case Manufacturer
Bulova
Gender
Mens
Additional Information

What I do know 100% about the watch is that it was given to me in 1969. It has my name engraved on the back which was done in 1969.

I have been told it was gifted to my grandfather for his 10th birthday in 1923 ( whether that information is correct or not is what I am trying to determine)

The watch has 15 Jewels and was purchased in Canada. I dont know if the knife and chain were originally added to the knife or if they were added in the 60's

Inside the case is some hand written information like "B123HT"   and "NN7765 followed by some cursive text which comes up in the image for inside the case"

I would like to know what year the watch was manufactured and weather it needs any form of insurance. Thank you for your time and expertise.

Front of watch
Watch chain and knife
back case and chain
inside case
movement
back case and engraving
Lee Burrows
Posted October 20, 2021 - 3:23am

This watch is a Cashier winged wheel 14K gold filled case 

mybulova_admin
Posted October 20, 2021 - 4:19am

Are you able to find a date code on the movement? Do you see a cresent moon stamp?

Case made by American Watch Case Co. of Toronto, Canada. I've not seen these cases use for Bulova watches before.

https://awccoca.wordpress.com/page/6/

My suspision is that the case is correct and made about 1923, but the movement may have been a replacement...maybe...I'm not 100% sure.

The movement is probably from around 1928. Here is another 17AT example.

Lee Burrows
Posted October 20, 2021 - 6:27pm

In reply to by mybulova_admin

Ive looked for a date code but I can't find anything, there is a really faint circle/love heart shape but it doesnt look to be stamped in. I understand regards 17AT being a 1928 model.

mybulova_admin
Posted October 24, 2021 - 8:13pm

I've dicussed this watch with another member who specialises in early Bulova pocket watches and we both tend to agree that Bulova were not using A.W.C Co cases for their watches, as they had their own Bulova branded cases, even one's stamped 'Bulova' and 'Toronto'.

Our opinion is that the either the original watch was a Waltham which later had the Bulova movement added, or vice versa, it was  originally a Bulova that had the case swapped. Both options would have been common practise to ensure a timepiece could continue to be used, especially a high quality timepiece. They were valued and not easily or quicky discarded, just because something was wrong them and was usually cheaper to fix than replace, unlike today.

Lee, it would be good to see another clear photo of the movement if possible, as I'm sure there will be a date stamp there somewhere.

mybulova_admin
Posted October 25, 2021 - 1:22am

In reply to by plainsmen

I'm not saying we won't find other examples, there were literally millions of these cases made over the decades, I'm just not convinced Bulova used these cases with their watches.

The NAWCC website takes a closer look at these cases here: American Watch Case Co., Ltd. (Toronto) | NAWCC Forums. My doubt stems from it being a 'gold filled' case and not solid gold. If it were soid gold I would more than likely agree, as we know Bulova commonly used other case coimpanies for their solid gold versions, but they had their own 14K GF cases, espically during this period of the late 20s. Also both this and your example have different case styles and bow.

I think it will be difficult to establish if Bulova did house their movements in an A.W.C Co case.

The safe bet is to group them in the general 'Pocket watch' category, rather than ID as a 470.

Geoff Baker
Posted October 25, 2021 - 9:42pm

I'm going to defer on this one - 1923 Bulova Pocket Watch

Lee Burrows
Posted October 26, 2021 - 3:52am

Case 1
Any idea what this engraved text is?

 

Lee Burrows
Posted October 26, 2021 - 3:53am

case 2
More engraved text