USA Made M2(1962) Spaceview 'B". Watch is in Stainless Steel/w Correct SS Applied Logo Kreisler Coffin Link Bracelet.This watch was handed down to me and was originally purchsed by my Grandfather. This Spaceview "B" has the correct 30.55 Yellow Dot Crystal, correct 214 movement Dated M1 (1961)/w the correct snap back setting stem only seen on M0-M2 accutrons. The Yellow Dot hands are original/w the Gold Centers and somewhat faded but original Yellow Paint. Also as noted in the pic, original Yellow Dot hands (Minute hand and second hand are curved at the tips). The M1 movement has the correct 5 solder point 3 wire electronics box with the Transister at the bottom which is only found on M0-M2 movements and has no patent markings at the bottom of this movement which is common for these early movements. Advertsied as Style # 21013 with Case # 2362. This Spaceview "B" was serviced in 2010 (phased only with no parts replaced) so it runs great. It sat in a family case from 1976 when my Grandafther died till 2010 when I became the caretaker of it.
That's an interesting observation about the 5 solder points. In checking other Spaceviews I see movements with 3, 4 and 5 used solder points.
This 1965 Accurton Spaceview has the same 5 point solder configurtion, so I'm not sure that aspect only relates to 1960-62 models.
Anyone know why the variation?
This is a superb example of an Accurton Spaceview 'B'
This will explain basic set-ups seen in factory ads. Many times these 3 wire and 2 wire configurations have changed due to repairs,case movement swapping etc. The top two pics are 3 wire set-ups. Basically the only difference is the transistor is at the bottom of the early 3 wire configurations and the transistor is at the top of the later 3 wire configuration. If the Spaceviews aren't set up like this depending on their year, there has been a swapping or repair somewwhere down the road. The two wire set-up came out in the late 60's, some saying 1966 is the best guess on changeover to the two wire set-up.
*Top pic: The early 3 wire set-up as seen in many advertisements. Common set-up 1960-1962. I have seen this set-up on a 1963 (case date Stamp) Spaceview but the movement was still stamped M2. The Transistor at the bottom and the black shrink wrap is a great tell on age of movement. Commonly known as the (5) solder Point set-up.
*Middle Pic: Also a 3 wire set-up but the transistor has moved to the top. Commonly seen in 1963-1966ish 214's. I have seen both this 3 wire set-up and also the bottom pic two wire set-up on 1966 214's so its a tough call to say exactly when it switched over but 1966/1967 is very close.
* Bottom Pic: The newer (2) wire set-up for the 214's showing up in the later 60's. As you can see all three pics are different but when viewing Spaceviews, this will give you a good idea if the movement set-up matches the sellers (case-back) date. For instance if a seller had a Spaceview with the bottom (2) wire set-up and it was advertised as a 1963 Spaceview, the dated case back and movement set-up don't match and would be incorrect.
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SpaceViewM2: Thanks for the Excellent write up detailing how to ID the various Early 214's. Unfortunately, the images no longer are displayed as Photobucket appears to have changed their limks. Is there any way you could supply those images ? I'd like to use them to help me ID my 1961 Alpha and 1960 TV Case 521 movements to see if they have been modified or are original.
Thanks ! BTW -- YES I realize that the post is 1 1/2 year old ;-)
Bob
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The 1965 Spaceview that you linked to does not have the correct coil set for that year and in addition, it is in a case that is not consistent with known factory Spaceview case numbers.
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So is it fair to say that the 1965 Spaceview I linked to above in infact a converted Accuttron?
I'm still learning about these movements. The earlier 20s/30s movements are my main interest.
What's meant by 3-wire coil? I see that some watches have only 3 connects, some 4 and others 5 out of the possible 5 solder points.
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These 214's come with either early version 3 wire coil assemblies or later two wire assemblies. It really doesn't pertain to how they are soldered in that compartment. The phrase "5 solder point "layout is just a 'term' used to identify the very early 3 wire coil assembly.
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Yes, I believe Sam2 was saying that M5 Spaceview wasn't originally a Spaceview.
And when you view future Spaceviews for your reference and panel review, these are the 3 basic wire configuartyions you will see on Spaceviews. This is what is under the dialed watches also, except you just can't see them.
M0-M2 Early 3 Wire (5 Solder Point) coil assenmblies
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M3-M6 ish+- later 3 wire coil assemblies
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M6ish+ 2 Wire Coil assemblies
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