Help Identify a 1967 Bulova

It bears a strong resemblance to a 1965 Date King.

http://www.mybulova.com/watches/1965-date-king-1272

The case is silver whereas the Date King is gold. 

I have also read threads where this has been called a President. I am not sure which is which now.

Anyone have any Ideas?

'DATE KING' IMO

FifthAve . . . I want to say it is a Date King as well. Although the color of the case is off. Does anyone have an example of a silver colored Date King?

Nova . . . Do you have any input on the matter? Are there any facts that seem off?

Alright, if you're going to make me play, I will.  But my most valuable input will remain that Fifth should do us all the favor of supporting his opinions.  Where's the ad?  Other watches in the database?  Something besides a mere opinion?

I don't spend much time studying the late models, but a quick glance at the ads shows this 1964 President "O", which seems to share quite a few features with the subject watch.

Lisa,

This ad has been discussed, IMO it's a typo. The details are mixed up with a 2nd Watch in the same ad.

'PRESIDENT' in 1964 was 30 Jewels, supported by ads in the database.

Well there's not much to be said if we're not going to trust the ads.

I've seen the discussions about those ads, whether it is a typo or actually a president. If the President line was only offered with 30J movements  (and the red ad is a typo), and the Date King with 17, then I would imagine that, unless this is not an original movement, this would be a Date King. Just my take. I can not say for certain that Presidents were only offered with 30J, and the DK only 17J ( as I am still new into the world of older watches). The only thing that makes me want to say President is the fact that in the second ad, model labeled B is silver (or in this case the stay-bright stainless) and this watch is indeed silver/stainless. Please, correct me if I am wrong.

You're correct, and B and E in the ad are not noted as to having 30J movements.

a secondary ad Dated 1964 mentions 39 Calendar styles, with no mention of the 'PRESIDENT'

it had been past practice for Bulova to keep the Jewel count the same across the different models, this one is making Me think.

I highly doubt there was a 17 Jewel 'PRESIDENT' in the 1960's, but I've been wrong before...

You guys aren't making this any easier!

Ticker - I can see the prices that you were talking about. Perhaps they did have different lines of the President that came with different J counts. Perhaps this is a President (B?)

Fifth - I wonder if this is one of those 39. I guess we will just havet to come to a general consensus about what type this is? But please, keep the information coming!! This has turned out to be quite an intriguing mystery.

The more the convoluted the history is of this watch the more fascinated that I become with it. I am glad to find out that they call the face "snow drift" as this is the most visually appealing faces I have on any of my watches.

IMO with the ads presented, it is a low cost stainless, 17 Jewel, version of the "President" line up.

Or someone muffed up the ad.

30 Jewel 10 CRACD - SS Case - 'PRESIDENT'

IMO

Another discussion continues, politely and with courtesy. Which is why I'm going to be as diplomatic as I can. Marty please enter your movement into the movement data base as yours isn't listed at present. Thank you.

Mark, you should know better! 10CRACD

Fifth - Thank you for finding that stainless President! The only difference that I can see between your example and the ad, is that the ad does not show the "30 Jewels" on the face of the watch. While it is a possibility that the actual product may be different then advertised, perhaps not all of the Presidents that were stainless were 30J? Who knows, could be anything. I am still waiting to hear back from Bulova themselves.

Simple - I will add the movement to the database.

Muchas gracias Marty! Our movement data base is a critical part of our research but is often overlooked! Try to bear in mind we are trying to "restore" history for a company that was too stupid to realize how valuable their company records were (and I'm refering to the owners after Bulova sold out), so old ads and movements, along with old watch repair manuals etc are critical.

No problem Simple. It is unfortunate that the record keeping was not of high priority to Bulova. Perhaps Admin could talk to Roland Ranfft about adding his information for Bulova movements to the site? He has a lot of information on his website that I feel could only benefit ours. Just a thought.

Bulova got back to me today, so we now have confirmation as to which model this is. Here is the email response they sent me:

"In the 1967 catalog. I found your watch which has the following writeup its

a Date King TT white 17 jewels, stainless streel

waterproof, automatic, shock resistant, unbrakable mainspring, calendar,

sweep second hand, luminous dial and hands adjustable expansion band

retailing for 59.95"

So this is a 67 Date King TT. Glad to have a name to a face :) Happy research guys!

Good job Marty!!!

Do you think they would send you a copy of that catalog page?

Taaa daaaaa!

Information which would all but put to rest the theory that the Bulova 'PRESIDENT' came with anything less than 30 Jewels in 1964.

Comon sense says Movement Jewel counts do not change within a specific Model within a given production Year.

Nice one Marty.

Thank you Simple.

I have two questions for all of you.

1) The service department says that it has an 'unbreakable' mainspring. Unbreakable to me is a myth, anything can break. Do they claim that the watchspring is unbreakable if there is some sort of part int the movement that will prevent you from overwinding the mainspring? Does that safety feature make a mainspring 'unbreakable'?

2) Now that I am talking to a Bulova Service employee, should I ask for them to consider becoming a part of this forum? I am not trying to become an ambassador between us and Bulova, I just have an open line with them at the moment and while I have their attention should I bring this up to see if they can come in and provide: a) more ads b)catalogs they can provide c) a definitive answer as to yes this a Date King TT and not a stainless steel President. It was just a thought. Although I find that most of you are very informative and well versed in all things Bulova and I respect all of your hardwork, I ask this becuase then Bulova themselves can come in and clear up loose ends and end small debates as to whether the red ad was indeed a misprint or is correct. 

I leave this all to you our respected panel members, and Administrators, I would just love to see this website flourish into what I know it can become at its full potential. If this comes off as offensive, I apologize, that is not my intention. I would just like to suggest idea's that can help us out.

Marty

I will ask for the catalogue page as well. Thank you all, you guys did the heavy lifting, I just sent an email. ;p

Bulova has no records of Watches manufactured prior to 1950 - '52.